Harold Estes

Harold Estes
by
David Schlecht

The Republican party is up their old tricks, exploiting our great veterans for their political gain. Shame on them. I got this in my email today:

WW II Battleship sailor tells Obama to shape up or ship out !

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now.

He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year.  People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can’t figure out what country you are the president of.

You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
” We’re no longer a Christian nation”
” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even
announced to the world,”America is mean-
spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)

I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you.  To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.”

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British?  Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War?  I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination.  You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American.  If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue.  You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight?  You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing.  I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son.  Do your job.  When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him.  But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out.  The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy.  That’s not our greatest threat.  Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

When a 95 year old hero of the “the Greatest Generation” stands up and speaks out like this, I think we owe it to him to send his words to as many Americans as we can. Please pass it on.

How very sad to see an American political party trying to make political points by exploiting the delusions of this poor older veteran, and then they have the audacity to ask us to forward their lies. Such immoral political parties should be banned.

Hopefully, soon, if we can fix health care, he may be able to afford the medicines he needs to step back into reality.

Where does one start when there are so many misconceptions, deceptions, and outright lies? How about at the top?

1. America is not and has never been a Christian nation. It was founded to be a nation of all or even no religion. How many times do you see Christ or the Bible referenced in the US constitution? Never. Wonder why? Even a grade school graduate knows this to be a fact. Why are there people lying to us about this and asking us to forward emails about it?

2. If you don’t think America is mean spirited, you haven’t been paying attention. That is primarily what Fox new is. This is so obvious that no one could really miss the fact.

3. Imagine being so deluded to think Americans would believe that a man from a poor single parent family doesn’t feel gratitude. He has expressed gratitude repeatedly. Turn off Fox news and wake up.

4. It’s nice to have a president acting like a president rather than a war criminal. The majority of America are glad to have Obama representing us. Anything is better than the past eight years. Many US presidents have been diplomatic enough to show respect for the customs of visiting dignitary (like bowing). Where was the outrage when Bush was out there holding hands and kissing Saudi kings and princes on the mouth? Remember Saudi Arabia? The country where the 9/11 terrorists came from?

5. America is obviously not living up to our usual standards when so many people are so weak and frightened by terrorists that any Muslim in the news turns into the next terror plot. We are not all afraid of our shadows and there’s no reason to demand that our leader be so weak. “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

6. Yes, please bring back the economies we had after the last Great Depression. Bring back the New Deal, the committees that oversee the excesses of the banks and the criminality of the insurance industry. Please bring back the bigger more effective government. Our country has fallen apart because people have been listening to the “smaller government” fools. How do you think we got in this mess?

7.And finally, any president that just takes whatever his appointed generals tell him should be immediately impeached. Bush, you know, the one who never served even though he was enlisted? AWOL? He replaced the generals he didn’t like in order to hear what he wanted. Look what a mess that has created. Two more Vietnams and despised around the world. America is lucky Obama knows better and questions his generals. If you’ve ever been in the military, you know that generals advance their careers during wars, not during peace so of course they prescribe more war.

There is so much more wrong with this rant but I’m tired.

32 thoughts on “Harold Estes”

  1. Did you ever consider that this old vet may not be deluded at all? Just because he’s old doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his faculties. Perhaps you oughta be the one waking up and pulling your head out from under the covers to see things the way they truly are.

    1. Thanks for the comment, Steve. I’ve never felt that I know all the answers and gladly admit when I’m wrong.

      As you seem to say that my thinking is under the covers, please shed some light on the points. Do you have any proof that this poor man hasn’t been manipulated by an immoral political party? Can you please engage me at the level of facts? Have you checked my links for validity?

      I look forward to your illuminating facts.

      1. Looks like the angry left is still just as angry as ever. The Constitution also doesnt say anything about mandating that people buy anything including health insurance. You dont fix the 15% of health care that needs fixing by destroying the other 85% that people are happy with. Hey Obama appologist: pull you head out of your ass and quit blaming everything on Fox news. Just look at their ratings. Clearly the majority of people in the country now know where they can at least have a chance of hearing both sides. Speaking of majorities, hopefully the fools that came out of the woodwork simply to “make history” will go back where they came from and never vote again. By the way, blaming Busch was over with the election. Get over it. I have to go now and fix my economic situation. I think I will take the brilliant Obama’s philosophy and go max out another credit card. Wake me up when this nightmare is over.

        1. So David comments, get your head out of your ass, and Bill Clinton says, twice, he would like Obama to have a retroactive abortion and you, my dear friend, say the left is angry? No wonder some people can’t come up with the right answer no matter how loudly they yell. Maybe the right should shut up and listen rather than yelling.

        2. “You dont fix the 15% of health care that needs fixing by destroying the other 85% that people are happy with.”

          The vast majority of Americans are literally one paycheck away from having no coverage. Insurance companies like it this way. If you are healthy enough to work, you don’t need much care. As soon as you get really sick or injured, you lose your job. And your insurance! What a scam!

          “Hey Obama appologist: pull you head out of your ass and quit blaming everything on Fox news. Just look at their ratings. Clearly the majority of people in the country now know where they can at least have a chance of hearing both sides.”

          First of all, how does ratings translate to ‘truth’ in broadcast journalism? If that’s the case, FOX News is waaay behind compared to CBS Evening News, NBC, and ABC World News Tonight. The fact has always been that real broadcast journalism is about getting the facts and getting them right, regardless of ratings or popularity.

  2. This is one of so many examples of the Repugs taking advantage of our vets. But they never vote to provide them the care and supplies they need.

    1. OMG!!! ROTFLMAO….. What about ObamaCare I guess this will help our Vets? I wish we could have retroactive abortions lets start with this guy…

  3. What sad personal testament that you see this letter and immediately resort to ad hominem attacks on the purported author. Simply because you disagree with a person’s view points does NOT make them deluded. On the contrary, the need to impugn a person to further one’s arguments only reflects on the character and ability of the person doing the impugning.

    If he is deluded, explain how so? Is he deluded merely because he holds a different world-view than you?

    1. If he sees ghosts, he deluded isn’t he? If he sees a Christian Nation where there isn’t one he’s deluded isn’t he? It’s not opinions, it is seeing things that aren’t there.

      Seeing delusions doesn’t make him a bad person, like you’re implying David S is. Poor Harold is deluded because the Republican party has been lying to him and he’s swallowing it hook line and sinker.

      Why do Republicans always resort to personal attacks rather than discuss the facts? It’s because they can’t win the argument with facts.

  4. Absolutely. If you find anything common in this thread is that there is no attempt to discuss the issues, just personal attacks. Typical? Maybe.

  5. Just asking, but doesn’t this mean the Republicans here are either wrong and they know it or know they’re probably wrong and don’t care? If that’s the case, either case, aren’t they being disingenuous (lying)? Just asking.

  6. Fact: On 6 Apr 09 while in Turkey, President Obama did say we no longer consider ourselves a Christian Nation. This is not about the US Constitution, it is that the US was founded on Christian Ideals.

    Fact: The pilgrims, as you will recall, were, Christians fleeing Europe in order to escape religious persecution, and they literally began their stay in their new land with the words, “In the name of God, Amen.” Learn some history!!

    So just before Easter week 09..Obama says we are no longer a Christian nation as he kisses up to Muslim run Turkey who by the way killed over a million Christian Armenians.

    Fact: On 3 April 2009, President Obama’s speech in Strasbourg, Germany went further than any United States president in history in criticizing his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil. But he sought to use the comments, which amount to a mea culpa for recent American foreign policy, as leverage to alter European views of America and secure more troops for the war in Afghanistan.

    He declared that there had to be a fundamental shift on both sides of the Atlantic. “America is changing but it cannot be America alone that changes.”

    Addressing a crowd of some 2,000 mainly students from France and Germany, Mr Obama said: “In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world.

    “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

    This is what I want my President to say to the rest of the world……..

    So what facts can you bring to the table? You stated in your posts above that no one can bring you facts….well here they are. So what do you have for “FACTS”?

    1. Anonymous. If you would use a name, any name, it would be easier to address you properly. I appreciate your comments and your willingness to discuss facts. That’s the only way we can bring this country back together, by talking and listening, not yelling.Please let me respond to your points.

      You say, “Fact: On 6 Apr 09 while in Turkey, President Obama did say we no longer consider ourselves a Christian Nation.” This is a lie perpetrated by the Republican party. Read up on this. He said we are not JUST a Cristian nation and of course, he is right.

      You say, “Fact: The pilgrims, as you will recall, were, Christians fleeing Europe in order to escape religious persecution, and they literally began their stay in their new land with the words, “In the name of God, Amen.” Learn some history!!”

      Yes, there were around 100 religious fanatics (Pilgrims) that were being expelled from their own countryside because of their radical views and agenda. Surely you’re not saying America is a Religiously Fanatical country because of this. So, your logic is lacking.

      So you don’t want your president to be diplomatic. Looking over the past 8 years, obviously the swaggering bird-flipping my-way-or-the-highway attitude has caused us no end of harm. Check out the Pentagon’s report on the increase in risk of terrorism. It’s a good thing the rest of the country does want our president to be diplomatic.

      And, if I was just a little quicker, I would have pointed to pertinent links like FFRF.ORG that easily dispel the Republican talking points about America being a Christian Nation.

  7. Oh, how nice. Some actual facts for a change. Thank you! Now we have something worth discussing rather than just name calling and hate. Not sure I agree with you, but facts are nice for furthering the discussion. Love it.

  8. You sir (the poster of this whatever abomination comes to mind),and sir lightly but I am being respectful since I was brought up to be respectful. You that rebute him in this post are just perpetuating his beliefs because he is still going to turn it around. He has been brainwashed that what he says is law and what you say means nothing, not unlike the policies of this administration!

    1. Come on, Maureen, how about some facts? If you can prove your point prove it. The only way to learn is to put away your fears. it’s okay to be wrong some times. We all are. But to be afraid to discuss your issues makes you forever wrong.

  9. My dear friends and neighbors, for the love of God, look at what you’re doing here. These are the hardest times we will see in our lifetimes. We are the most divided this country has been since the Civil War, mainly because a group of us relentlessly and viciously attacks anyone that they don’t agree with, we are seeing our wealth and our savings disappear before our eyes while the bankers and insurance industry make billions, we are seeing our quality of life dwindle while the billionaires get richer, we see American’s life expectancy decline while the rest of the world is living longer, we see our leadership in the world crumbling not just financially but our education system is being starved, and upward mobility, which used to be the American Dream is now the worst in this country than any other developed country.

    This is just a short list of the major issues facing America. And what are we focusing on here? One political party has us fighting each other about trivial issues and ignoring the problems that are really destroying America. And, your all just playing into their hands, poster and commenters alike. What does it matter how low Obama bows? What does it matter if we call ourselves a melting pot or a Christian nation? These things matter but are insignificant compared to the rest of the problems facing us. Let’s not play into the hands of those who seek to divide us.

    I suggest we quit bickering amongst ourselves and unite against the important things that are destroying this nation.

  10. Greetings all. Just a couple of questions…
    Do any of you not live with your Mommies? Do any of you silly little kids have jobs? Is this what you do all day…cruise the internet looking for hate-spewing blogs to vent on? Do you not have lives to live?

    Uh-oh, It’s supper time and I think I hear your Mothers calling up the stairs for you. Better go wash your hands and get to the table…

    1. Another example of personal attacks because you have no valid provable points to make. How very Republican of you. It’s these kinds of attacks that are tearing America apart. Argue the points and check your attitude, biases, and hate at the door. Comments like this serve no useful purpose and are most unpatriotic.

      1. Now why would you assume that I speak only to the LIBERAL hate spewing kids on this blog?

        Believe it or not, some of us actually think for ourselves, and don’t just parrot the “party line”.

        Instead of pulling hair and calling names, stop and think for yourselves if you are capable.

  11. DAVID IS CORRECT — Progressives are always right because facts, history and reality are adjustable so listen up:
    1. Fair taxes – If you make too much (a floating number based on government need), Uncle Handout takes the rest. If you make less, we “spread the wealth”; oh that’s right we’re broke and it’s Bush’s fault.. Not-with-standing that the top one percent currently pay over 40 percent of all individual taxes and the top 25 percent pay over 87 percent (IRS for 2007), but, they don’t deserve to keep the fruits of their labor like under that foolish old capitalistic free market system.. However, all be be solved soon with the new Cap and Tax Bill, Medical Bill, Chris Dodd’s new financial control legislation, expiration of those silly Bush tax cuts — but no fear, these things won’t affect YOU!!!!!
    2. Health Care — Of course we should have manditory Obama government health care to control costs, raise taxes and surpress another private industry.. We need another bloated govt. agency that has the budget and fiscal success like USPS, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Amtrac, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid (oh, thats right, these three would have been OK but uncle stole the money for other “needs”), etc., etc.. But hey, we’ll all get healthier walking to government clinics, standing in lines and learning to deal with pain while awaiting for our lottery number for that surgical procedure like our socialist country friends.. Besides, if you are over 65 and retired you don’t “contribute” enough in taxes or to the “public good” so of what use are you!!!
    3. Christian Nation – Of course we are not.. The 86 percent of the population that thinks we are just “cling to their bibles and guns” in times of stress anyway.. Therefore, ignor all those laws and rules in our judicial system, Constitution and Amendments because they have a basis in “morality” which comes from religion — bad!!!!
    4. Immigration Control — Why?? You can’t be the Leader of the World until they are all here – “Come on Down” as they say on the game show..
    5. Military — Unnecessary… They just cause trouble, scare my friends and take money from our progressive agenda!!!
    6. Pelosi Recommendation – Move the Capitol to San Fran. so I don’t have to wasted my time flying back and forth at least twice every week in my customized private Air Force jet!!!! The auto exec’s used to do that but we fixed them and are working on Wall Street and the finanical industry!!
    6. Bowing and Apoligizing – We’re bad, really bad, and “I” know how to tell everyone that you greedy freedom and liberty loving capitalists are sorry… Ignor that as a nation, we have contributed more aid of every type, both foreign and domestic, than all other contries combined but YOU can do more and WE will arrange that!!!!
    Etc., etc., etc…..
    Comrade, I know these “truths to be self-evident” (because my Czars, tax evading appointees, lobbists and Chicago thugs told me so)!!!

  12. Where was it that Republicans wrote this letter, or published it? I got it in an email, but I don’t think it has anything to do with ‘party’.
    I think its got to do with an old guy becoming fed up with the way things are going.
    Whether you think hes right or not, he’s got that freedom, and of course, anyone who sees it, has the freedom to pass it on.. or not.

    I don’t think people should be attacking him for his open honesty. Isnt that just a teeny bit of what seems to be lacking in Washington right now?

    Oh,.. and I see that your response to several posts is that they contain no facts. So, I’ll add a few of my own. (which I’m sure I will be considered non-facts in this blog)

    Fact: Harold can write down his feelings and send them to the President.
    Fact: Friends or family, or anyone that sees his letter can pass it on, if they feel like it.
    Fact: I was a Democrat
    Fact: I’m not sure now
    Fact: All the issues facing our country, and citizens of America today, AREN’T about ONE party

    and why is it that only progressives are allowed to speak and write and supposedly have NO misinformation or mistakes in their posts?

    Its ok, I understand where you are coming from, exactly the opposite place then I am.

    1. Lisa, thanks for commenting. I’m sorry you feel so disenfranchised here. Anyone is free to illuminate errors or misconceptions they find presented. In fact, it is encouraged. That’s the only way we humans learn sometimes. If you look through the comments on this site you will find plenty that expose errors in the perspectives proposed by both sides. It’s called exchanging information and it’s encouraged.

      Yes, I agree, that Howard has every right to be wrong. That’s the wonderful thing about America. And good for him for sending a letter regarding the issues that concern him to our president. And, if he had decided to send his email to everyone he knows and asked them to forward it on, I would applaud him for that, too.

      In other words, so far, you and I agree, right?

      Perhaps this information is new to you but the republicans and their right-wing think tanks are pursuing a mis-information campaign that is poisoning America’s discourse. If you haven’t heard about it yet, please check it out. There are multi-million dollar donations made to think tanks to help fool Americans into supporting the wishes of the super rich at the expense of the middle class and the poor. They convince the unwary that tax cuts for the rich somehow help the poor and America itself, they convince the uninformed that the inheritance tax shouldn’t be collected like income tax, but should be tax free because the billionaires are so abused. They spew lies about how the rich “earn” their income, unlike the working people and shouldn’t have to pay for the unequal burden they put on the rest of us, and on and on it goes.

      There was also an illegal Pentagon media campaign aimed at garnering support for the Iraq war under Bush. Remember all those “love our troops, pass this on” emails? You didn’t really think uncle Willie thought them up and put the media together and dumped it out to the same email lists every time do you?

      You can count on the fact that over 90% of the emails you see that say to send this on to everyone you know started at one of these deceptive marketing think tanks. And the sad part is that so many people just pass on the lies not even realizing that by doing so they’re hurting America.

      Perhaps Howard Estes’ didn’t go that route, but it’s a fact that he did not forward it off on his own. It was forwarded from a propaganda source in Florida, not from Hawaii. We don’t know if it was started at a think tank or just a republican party employee, but we know it followed the same email routes as the rest of the propaganda.

      And, as for your comment that the important issues facing America today aren’t just one party or another, I agree. Read Matthew25-31′s comment above. I agree that here we are arguing about how low someone bows or any number of other less important things while our economy and our freedoms are slipping away.

      Unfortunately, though, this mis-information media campaign has to be fixed or America will never be able to unite against the real problems. The think tanks seek to separate us and they are winning! They must be stopped.

  13. Let me tell you a story. I’ve occasionally seen visitors come and go on liberal blogs, always dumping out their conservative talking points like a little army of distracting, annoying flies. Anyone who has seen what the republican party has done to this country in the past decade keeps as far away from it as possible. I personally know many people who have deserted the republican party after seeing what it represents. I have never known anyone (in the last 10 years) who has become a republican after seeing what disaster they bring.

    Yet, these phantom visitors spewing their talking points often say they used to be democrats but they changed to republican. These odds are contrary to first hand knowledge of anyone I’ve talked to.

    The little army of deceptive talking-point spewing ants is not intent on coming to agreement or finding any common ground or bringing America together. After chatting with one of these democrats turned republicans for a while, I eventually found out that she was being paid twenty-five cents for every poisonous and deceptive talking point comment she left on liberal blogs.

    When you engage one of these talking point vomiting drones, they never address the facts and never ever bother to read the links when you disprove their talking points. They just reply to one post with more talking points, many of the same ones that you just disproved.

    Is it immoral for these people to be doing this? Of course it is. But even more, is it immoral for a political party and their right-wing think tanks to be purposely polluting our American discourse with lies?

    Of course, the next talking point they spew is, oh well, the democrats do it too. No matter how many times you can address this, the talking points always come back to the same old dis-proven points.

    This fact is easy enough to verify and I’m sure the liberals reading this who didn’t already know this will investigate it and the drones will just continue to spew talking points and never care to see if they’re doing America a disservice.

    Now, if you’re really interested in open discussion and not just spewing talking points, then this is the place to discuss. Don’t be discouraged by this comment. And, more importantly, don’t take it personal when people attack your points that they find wrong and repulsive. They’re not attacking you. Do, however, read the links they show you, those you agree with and those you don’t and don’t hesitate to link to verified data that may support your position. And to avoid too much embarrassment, I suggest you verify your points before exposing yourself to overzealous corrections.

    Working to resolve disagreements is encouraged, personal attacks are not. An attack on your beliefs is not the same as a personal attack. Know the difference.

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