Visitor Comment on Church and State

Checking over the mail queue, I ran across this comment. Since no one else has responded to this, I will do my best. In fact, since my posts are probably the most likely to be read as combative, it was probably meant for me, anyway.

Here is the comment submitted by a reader calling himself Jay:

For someone who claims to want peace you sure are angry and devisive. Do you believe looking down your nose at people because their views differ from yours is a way to peace? As if no one has a right to any belief that differs from yours. I would also like to say that your peace on Christianity playing not playing a role in our constitution as well as your supposed quotes from the bible are factually incorrect and far from the truth. There is also absolutely nothing in the constitution about “the separation of church & state. Any time you would like to be informed on the truth let me know I’d be glad to assist you. To move towards peace would require you and everyone for that matter to stop & examine themselves before criticizing others. Stop looking at the speck in my eye and examine the log in your own. Stay well my brother. You may have unjustified hatred towards myself and everyone else who’s opinion differs but I still love all my brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans.

As I stated, this was not attached to any specific post so I can only imagine that it’s more a comment about Just-Say-Why in general. The reader, Jay, seems to have missed the fact that there are multiple authors posting here and has either lumped us all together or is maybe directing this to someone specific but just doesn’t quite know it yet.

Angry and Divisive

Let’s start at the top: “For someone who claims to want peace you sure are angry and devisive [sic].”

Unlike most bloggers here, I am quite intolerant of those who are so blind they will not see. Too much tolerance is like too many vitamins. They are both bad. Both can kill the host, be it a human body or the body politic. I have no tolerance for those who refuse to admit the facts, those who cling to disproved talking points. In other words, I have little tolerance for those being lied to by Fox and who know it but still watch.

I don’t think anyone here is angry or divisive or looking down our nose. We aren’t angry at those destroying our democracy, but I do feel very little patience for them and we all feel considerable pity for them. They are being hurt by their ignorance just as much as their poor political choices are hurting the rest of the country.

Christianity and the Constitution

Your next point:

I would also like to say that your peace [sic] on Christianity playing not playing a role in our constitution as well as your supposed quotes from the bible are factually incorrect and far from the truth. There is also absolutely nothing in the constitution about “the separation of church & state. Any time you would like to be informed on the truth let me know I’d be glad to assist you.

To start, what piece are you referring to? There are numerous posts on this site and I don’t see any of them claim that those specific words are in the constitution. But almost every religious reference in the constitution and in other founding documents all point to the need to keep the churches out of the government and keep the government out of the church. Just doing a simple (anyone can do it) search in the constitution for religion gives the following instructions for keeping the religious fanatics out of our government.:

  1. … but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States
  2.  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

The Treaty of Tripoli

See what our founding fathers said about this being a Christian nation:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Okay, these are the facts. Now, Jay, please feel free to “assist” me on how these facts don’t really mean what they say.

And, lastly, Jay says, “Stop looking at the speck in my eye and examine the log in your own”

No one has to look for the speck in the eyes of those refusing to read the facts, the log is visible from quite a distance. If you were as open to understanding the facts and changing your mistaken world view based on what you find, as most of those you disagree with, the world would be a better place. Open your mind. A closed mind will never learn but it will make a great blind and brainless follower.

6 thoughts on “Visitor Comment on Church and State”

  1. Oh, Dave, how funny to see you still tilting at windmills. Why do you waste your time trying to argue facts and logic with “those who will not see” ?

  2. Why use so many “charged” words like “fanatics”? Of course they will not stay with you long enough for the facts to sink in when you deride them. Okay, okay, I know, you didn’t say Jay was a fanatic, but you are implying that his ilk are.

  3. So few people know that the Puritans who were our early settlers were religious fanatics fleeing intolerance in Europe. It’s time we showed the same intolerance to fanatics.

  4. We all know what happens when religious fanaticism is met with tolerance. It’s called the Dark Ages or in the case of Islam ISIS

  5. So you have the corner on the fact market? No one else can be right about anything?

    The Treaty of Tripoli is not a founding document of our country. What does it have to do with anything?

  6. Hello? Hello?! Jay?

    Where are you?

    If you’re not ready to actually engage in conversation, why waste your time leaving comments that no one can defend?

    I, for one, would like to engage in civil conversation about what you think is wrong.

    Mostly, I enjoy reading this site and seldom find fault, but when I do, it’s always nice that someone speaks up about it.

    Hello Jay?

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