Comments on: The Latest Conservative Talking Points

By: Waylin

Waylin — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:37:02 +0000

Taking his first sentence which David quoted above: “If you make too much (a floating number based on government need), Uncle Handout takes the rest,” I count 5 lies and deception.

1. “If you make too much” No tax laws are written based on “if you make too much”. That’s just deception.
2. “A floating number”. No tax laws are a floating number. Everyone knows what your tax rates are before you start making money for the year.
3. “Based on Government Need”. No, it has nothing to do with how much government needs, it depends on how much you make.
4. “Uncle Handout”. This fictitious and misleading name obviously reflects his love of his country.
5. “Takes the Rest”. Nobody is recommending that anyone pay “the rest”. This is just scare tactics. However, if you lie on behalf of a corrupt political party, you should be required to forfeit all your worldly possessions and spend the rest of your life in squalor, making amends, daily, to the rest of society that is honestly trying to fix this mess we’re in. This mess you are helping create.

5 lies in just the first sentence. This seems to reflect a very sick person.

By: Waylin

Waylin — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:22:51 +0000

How about we have a contest to see who can document the most lies in his posts? I’ll bet his lie-to-sentence ratio is at least 3 to 1. Nobody can be that wrong, even if they try. He was obviously a paid polluter.

Must make a Republican/Conservative proud. A real strict constitutionalist. When a country’s political party is this vile, it doesn’t bode well for the country.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:20:04 +0000

I’m just not shocked any more. Chuck rushes in here and dumps three posts full of lies and then disappears without even proving a single point and I’m sure, without even reading a single illumination of his lies. Was he a paid stooge?

By: Smithers

Smithers — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:25:57 +0000

Chuck, I don’t know if I speak for the other readers of this blog but personally, I am offended by your attempt to use derogatory terms and phrases like Socialism, Marx, Lennon, Robin Hood, Obama Care, etc., in your attempts to denigrate the principles and hopes of Americas founding fathers as well as the primary premises of our constitution, such as to care for each other. you call yourself a constitutionalist but demonstrate opposition to and a lack of understanding what the constitution actually says. Any reference you make to our government is tainted with disdain yet you over react when you are asked why you do this.

Please clean up your rhetoric.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:32:28 +0000

The “childish presumptuous insults, as in, ‘sad to see how little you think of America’” is not an insult, Chuck, unless you perceive it as such. Your statements make it plain that you don’t believe the USA can do successfully what every other industrialized has done. Or was David wrong and you really do believe that America can successfully provide health care to our citizens? You can’t have it both ways.

By: Waylin

Waylin — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:07:27 +0000

Chuck, I, too am not trying to embarrass you any more but it looked to me that David was doing you a favor not to respond to your Pelosi lie. You really have to take a step out into the real world and start verifying what you're hearing from your sources. The Pelosi lie has been debunked for a long time now. Remember, Snopes.com is your friend. MediaMatters.org should be your second stop any time you make the mistake of listening to to corporate media.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:13:24 +0000

“Obama Care”? Really? Obama Care? I don’t mean to embarrass you any more than you already have, but there’s no Obama Care. There’s no Unicorns, no Pixies, and no Obama Care. Only the right wing tools use that phrase. There are two versions of America’s health care bills, one in the House and one in the Senate and the Conservatives and a few Democrats in each house have done their best to destroy it.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:49:43 +0000

Please, surely you can improve upon the worn out typical liberal ploy of degrading and insulting the responder (of whom you know nothing), worry about spelling bee contest, and some bizarre Fox (?) rant as a diversion from facts and reality so your progressive friends can all enjoy a good laugh…
1. First, let‘s address some of your childish presumptuous insults, as in, “sad to see how little you think of America”, “hatred in you for your country”, “wetting his pants” etc.… I’ll take the bait and provide a few scraps so at least your ridiculous demeaning references can be relevant to something: I am a decorated Vietnam veteran — Neither a Democrat or a Republican because they both have been corrupted; but more of a strict constitutionalist social moderate and fiscal conservative, since you need a category to slander — I started work as a union hourly employee with a major company and progressed into management but took an “early retirement” re-organization package at age 46 and have accomplished additional goals since then… But, measured by the nature of your socialist tunnel vision response, you WRONGLY ASSUME I’m one of those hated “rich” and/or I must have accomplished these things by stealing from the “middle class” since I’m too diluted and stupid to use my own energy, education, skill and entrepreneurship to achieve any of this myself; therefore don‘t deserve to keep anything I EARNED!!!!!
1a. Let’s propagate the “take from the rich and give to the poor” Robin Hood (Marx and Lenin) approach of class warfare in the name of the “middle class” to justify castigating the “rich” and as an excuse to feed more bankrupt bloated oppressive govt. programs because we all know Washington is the solution and not the problem!! Then, we can have more CEO statements like Emerson Electric that, to stay in business, they have to start moving their operations overseas as a result of demonstrated anti-business anti-free enterprise policies of this Administration and Congress (examples – A. – Give billions of taxpayer dollars to GM as an excuse to do a govt. unconstitutional takeover, place it in bankruptcy court, ignore the bond and stock holders but give the UAW union 40% payback ownership.. B. – Next, have the pay czar threaten compensation controls for all exec’s which is why Bank of America can’t hire a qualified CEO replacement.. C. – We now need a “jobs summit” and another govt. program to solve the self-imposed problem heaped on the back of the taxpayers)!!!! But sure, take all the “rich” money, which isn’t enough to solve the growing deficit and debt problem created by big govt., and when they are all gone which “class” will be targeted next to decimate and destroy in order to feed the Washington beast???? As to your insult as to being alive 8 months ago when “Obama dropped the tax on working people”, — False and misrepresented — The temporary income scaled payroll tax “reduction” has already been ruled on by the IRS, based on the 2010 tax tables, as requiring almost all wage earners to make up the shortfall on their April 15th , 2009 tax filing…
2. Health Care – Just for openers, I have a copy of the HR3200 health proposal and have read (on the House, Senate and IRS websites) the income stat breakdowns and both the current health care proposals which were intentionally written not to be interpreted (according to an attorney friend helping with research) by the “middle class” but are full of individual and business “fees, penalties, fines, taxes and unsustainable mandates with further takeover of private industry and massive govt. growth“.. No tort reform, no private policy portability, no fraudulent billing reform measures, 500 Billion taken from Medicare and additional accounting tricks.. I’m sure this fits your classification of legislation we were all willing to DIE to see implemented!! I do my objective homework!!
3. Christian Nation & 5. Military – (“Clinging to their bibles and guns” was a direct speech quote from Obama in describing how the “middle class” deals with trying times..) You missed the point again on both topics though it is sad that throughout history more people have died in the name of “religion“ than all other causes combined.. But, on point, it is undeniable that we were founded on Christian principals by people of Christian faith seeking freedom from a single State mandated religion.. So, for the counterpoint, loose the tired old typical “McVeigh” comparison implying we should be afraid of all those scary Christian radicals on every corner every day blowing up innocent Americans because that is easier than addressing today’s realities of the Twin Towers (twice), Yemen, Africa, Bali, Spain, Great Britain, Indonesia, etc., etc and threats from Iran and North Korea (China is not a pending threat due to the TRILLION plus in Treasury notes they own)…. However, with each administrations inept and mis-directed foreign policies, we do just keep repeating history expecting a different outcome.. While I am sure to be considered a “Hawk” in some ways, Iraq and Afghanistan will prove to be waste of American lives and resources but the assertion that in today’s state of world affairs and threats that we don’t need a standing military because we are at “peace” is clearly naïve and ignoring the obvious!!! As for the re-directing military expenditures, this group of Washington corrupt tax evading powerbrokers will keep us safe and have demonstrated their ability to spend wisely (i.e. check recovery.gov , as an example, at all those millions of jobs recently created in multiple States voting districts that don’t exist)….
4. Immigration – Maybe we can agree but the federal government has clearly demonstrated a lack of will to enforce existing laws, address security related issues, and the desire to identify or implement a more relevant set of updated policies which includes temporary work visas and tracking…
6. Pelosi (using Air force customized jets for commuting between Washington and San Fran.) – Your “Oh please! Can you be serious??” reply either implies you are completely uninformed or agree with politicians using power and influence to abuse taxpayer dollars (but not OK for military national defense) for personal convenience.. Check the GAO and U.S. Air Force records of several government owned Gulf Stream 550’s used by Pelosi for weekend trips home.. But relax, surely her recent demands for replacement long range 737’s or 777’s (hates those annoying in-flight refueling stopovers with the custom Gulf Streams) will be rejected; hummm, but don‘t hold your breath unless you have Obama health care and have already ordered the flowers!!!! At least the Congress did reduce the appropriations legislative request from 8 more like aircraft to only 3 additional for legislative member usage (sacrifice, sacrifice) after the Air Force publicly reported they had sufficient quantities!!!
On the foreign and domestic aid issue – Your “million-dollar churches and paying the pay checks of billion dollar con artists” statement is cute and clever but off point and irrelevant (oh, that’s right, the free speech silencing tool of “political correctness” says it’s an easy target to slam any Christian religious persons relationship with their faith and church because they always just quietly turn the other cheek).. Furthermore, your “we, as a nation are the stingiest of the industrialised countries” is accurate only if you choose to believe the frequent left wing radical breathless causing rants by Keith O. on MSNBC and certain new age accounting methods (like those used by this Administration and Congress; but sorry, didn’t mean to pick on any neuron challenged Cornel alumni)!!!!

Finally, you challenge my love of country and patriotism (notwithstanding the current crop of imbedded “career politicians and government leaders“)??? This neuron shortage thing must be spreading but I’m sure Obama Care will provide a cure with a new on-time vaccine program which will probably be called “The Hope and Change Smooth Talk to Dumb Down the (Too-Busy-To-Notice-Your-Liberties-and-Freedoms-Were-Sold-for-Government-Dependency -Programs-and-Debt-Payment) Citizens”!!!!!!

Chuck